Interview: Nitzer Ebb’s Bon Harris
From 1984 to 1995, U.K. duo Nitzer Ebb pioneered a unique sound that fused elements of techno, punk, and industrial into a ferocious string of singles and LPs. Through tracks like “Murderous,” “Join in the Chant,” “Let Your Body Learn,” “Lightning Man,” “Getting Closer,” and many others, Douglas McCarthy (vocals) and Bon Harris (drums, programming) spread relentless minimal menace to dancefloors worldwide, influencing the likes of Richie Hawtin, Darren Emerson, Sven Väth, DJ Hell, Nine Inch Nails, Smashing Pumpkins, and countless others along the way. Now, a decade after calling it quits, Nitzer Ebb are back with a two-disc compilation (Body of Work), a new remix collection (Body Rework: Remixes), and a worldwide tour. Stylus editor Todd Hutlock caught up with Bon Harris recently to discuss the band’s comeback, legacy, and future.
Stylus: So what happened to bring Nitzer Ebb back into the limelight? Last I had heard a few years back, you and [vocalist] Douglas [McCarthy] weren’t even speaking to each other.
Bon Harris: I think Douglas and I decided to stop doing work as Nitzer Ebb more than a decade ago because we’d been together a long time and it was certainly an intense sort of band anyway. We wanted to go off and do our own things and taste life as individuals rather than as part of a band. We did very well over that decade, actually—I went into production and worked with the likes of Marilyn Manson and Billy Corgan and so on, and Doug went off and became quite a successful commercial director and worked in film a bit. So we’ve had a long time apart from each other, but both of us really enjoy performing live, and we both had a sense that the time would perhaps come around when we would feel like working together again and that it would feel right. And basically that is what happened. People were always asking us, “Will the Ebb ever get back together?” and we just got asked so often that we finally talked about it and it went from there. It just felt like the right time and the right thing to do.
So the two of you have essentially patched things up now?
I would say that working together again on this tour has probably been some of the most fun we’ve had in the band since it first began. There was a period when we didn’t talk to each other at all and did our own things, but we’ve been friends since school and I think it was just one of those things where we needed to cool off. Granted it was a long cooling-off period, but it was intense and that amount of time was necessary to offset the intensity of the work we had done. It seems to have worked, and we’re getting along really well.
One of the things that struck me when I was listening to Body of Work was how so many different acts took little things from the Nitzer Ebb sound and have cited you as an influence. Do you look back now and feel that you have a legacy?
We are aware that we have been influential in a lot of ways, but all that really stems from the fact that when we first created the tracks, we were really trying to do something special. We really did care about it and wanted to uphold a high standard of work and we were constantly searching to break barriers. There was always that thirst for uncovering more, pushing ourselves, and that meant that we did come up with some groundbreaking things. So I think we are aware of it and we are quite proud of it.
The other thing that struck me was how much of an evolution in sound there was from the early tracks to the later days. There are strings on tracks, you worked with George Clinton—you were all over the musical map more than people might realize.
Yes, and we were also always trying to do things that were more on the subtle side. I think there are little things going on during many of the tracks that people don’t really appreciate even now. It’s interesting that for all the amount of acceptance we’ve had and being cited as influential, I do think that in a lot of ways we are still quite misunderstood, even by people that really like us. There was always this whole thing where we were lumped in with what they call “industrial” music. When I listen to tracks like “Lightning Man,” I think to myself, “Well, there’s a synthesizer in there…” but other than that, you tell me what else is industrial about that song? So as much as people did get it, there’s still a lot that perhaps people don’t get.
Even on the new remix album, Body Rework, it’s really something to see Derrick May on an album alongside The Hacker and Robag Wruhme, and that speaks to the diversity present in your sounds. Do you see a connection between Nitzer Ebb and the minimal dance music that is so in vogue today?
Well, someone like Richie Hawtin has been a champion of our music over the years, but he’s also been a pretty groundbreaking chap himself. Those are the sort of people that you are proud to have been an influence on—they’ve picked up the baton and taken things in all sorts of new directions. So I see that connection, in that there are inquiring minds and people that aren’t afraid of a challenge, especially in dance music because it can be a confined sort of thing to do.
Beyond the tour, will there be new recordings? Yeah, that was something we discussed as soon as we got together and agreed to do the tour, so we threw the door open on that way back. We said that if we enjoyed working together and it’s fun and everything then we’ll do it. Doug and I have been getting along together really great and we’ve been working together on some new ideas. Hopefully we’ll have some time near the end of this year to put something together. We’re hoping to have something ready for the spring of 2007, perhaps. The whole thing has been like a stone rolling down a hill and gone so much better than anyone even thought it was going to be. And if the ball is rolling, you might as well roll with it.
What should audiences expect from the Nitzer Ebb live show in 2006?
It’s a really stripped down, back-to-basics approach to doing things. When Doug and I discussed it, we decided to concentrate on our earlier era, with the mainly electronic tracks, and with the whole basic, minimal militaristic image that people seem to like. People have been telling us that it is everything it used to be but somehow even better with maturity or experience or whatever it is. People have told us that we haven’t lost any of the energy, and in fact it looks like we found more from somewhere. So you can expect it to be pretty loud and feisty, because that’s the way we like it.
Body of Work and Body Rework: Remixes are out now in Europe on Mute; Body of Work is released in the United States on October 17. For more information and remaining tour dates, visit www.mute.com and www.nitzer-ebb.com.
[Todd Hutlock]
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